Posts by never a jw

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Email exchange between an elder and me

by never a jw in

the following is an exchange of 3 emails between an elder in my wife's congregation and me.

it's a hispanic congregation in los angeles area:.

is it a cult or not??.

never a jw

There's more. I called him incompetent in the previous email, and he too umbrage. Here's the latest:

No, Felipe, I am not an incompetent elder. I may be very incompetent in many things, but being an elder is not one of them.
I fear the real problem is that you have decided to find something against the Witnesses, for reasons I have stated before, and your biases are clouding your judgement.
And You are being very unfair to us, to yourself and to Truth itself.

Elder

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Dear Elder

Its not just me. Its the Australian government and many tribunals and news organizations around the world. And I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. But, oh well it is the system of Satan. I am sure Satan is the one giving the incriminating responses to the elders in the hearings and is making me read incriminating information in the mountain of documents produced by the Watchtower. It seems that Satan has more persuasive powers than the holy spirit that selected these Australian elders.

Dont missthe the live streaming today at 6 or 7 our time. It's better than reality tv, better than movies of good vs. evil. Dont miss it.

Felipe

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No, of course not.
But you are being duped.
I feel sorry for you, Felipe, honestly.
You really need to wisen up before it's too late.
For my part, I am not going to follow your lead.
You've really taken the wrong road, and there's no one to blame but yourself.

Elder

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Email exchange between an elder and me

by never a jw in

the following is an exchange of 3 emails between an elder in my wife's congregation and me.

it's a hispanic congregation in los angeles area:.

is it a cult or not??.

never a jw

Oops!. Too late to edit. I guess too many clues are given (names, Hispanic cong, Los Angeles area). Anyone from the area can figure it out. Might as well be reckless and provide one more clue: i reside in Burbank CA. What the hell, let them disfellowship me, if they can.

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Email exchange between an elder and me

by never a jw in

the following is an exchange of 3 emails between an elder in my wife's congregation and me.

it's a hispanic congregation in los angeles area:.

is it a cult or not??.

never a jw

The following is an exchange of 3 emails between an elder in my wife's congregation and me. It's a Hispanic congregation in Los Angeles area:

Is it a cult or not??

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Dear elder,

I have been following what's going on in Australia in the offices of the Royal Commission regarding case 29. It's a slaughter house and Satan is getting increasingly vicious. He is in full control,

If you are a JW in a position of authority and testifying, it's ugly. If the findings of the hearings motivate other worldly governments to act in similar fashion to the Royal Commission, Satan has a good chance of winning the war between the forces of good and evil. I am taking Satan's side. You should too. But if you want to remain loyal to the Watchtower, at least read the news so you can anticipate the denouement. Even better, tune in to the hearings live in the internet from 6 or 7 pm on, our time, except for today. You can even download tons of information: testimonies and exhibits, including letters between Australia's branch office and elder's, judicial committees documents, relevant wt publication, elder's book with commentary and lots more. Thousands of pages of stuff that even apostates don't have.

I think John of Patmos picked the wrong contender. Revelation will have to be re-written.

never a jw

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Dear never a jw:

I assure you I am sensitive to child abuse and lying. They are both contemptable. But I don't think it prudent to turn my back on more than 100 years of truth because of a court hearing. I have seen way too many where truth was erased by unscrupulous prosecutors.
Sorry, I'm not biting your bait.

Elder

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Dear elder,

Jorge,

More than a 100 of truth? When have you put under objective scrutiny anything written by the Watchtower before your time (between 1879 and 1975). I have serious doubts that you have read any publications during that period. Regarding the hearings in Australia, you reached your conclusions without looking at the evidence, which is the testimony of victims, elders, circuit overseers and members of the Australian branch, together with many confidential watchtower documents, including letters from the branch, manuals, financial statements, judicial committees decisions and more. You certainly should be completely disqualified from any jury duty and mainly from any JW's judicial committee. You just proved how incompetent elders are to serve in a judicial committee.

Felipe.

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In View of R.C.hearing of J.W.& child Sexual Abuse in Aust. and it`s Worldwide Coverage.can we expect ....?

by smiddy in

are we likely to see a definite drop in new bible studies , interest in the religion ,a drop in meeting attendance ,especially in lands where this is widely reported ?

or even an exodus from many in the congregations who may view this as the last straw ?.

their have only been 3 days of this inquiry so far and the incompetence of the elders to articulate their position is painful to observe , they are ignorant to the extreme .showing a total disinterest in the whole proceedings.. when questioned , they have not bothered to understand the purpose of the commission , nor read any of the previous days proceedings ,nor have they bothered to read the victims statement ,and have shown a total disregard for the whole procedure .. surely any thinking person with half a brain would back away from any involvement with this religion .. i am overjoyed that this inquiry is getting worldwide media attention ,i hope you are too .. i commented on an article in ghana africa that ran with this story , so the sexual abuse of children within the jehovah`s witness organization is getting worldwide coverage .. what do you think ?.

never a jw

"You'd have to be an uber-masochist to want to be "appointed" now" @The searcher

No more JW girls marrying in Australia. AMIII requires to be at least ministerial servant to be marriage material. AMIII shot himself in the foot. JW's are not getting new converts and their supply of children will disappear thanks to the Royal Commission investigation.

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Governing body deceiving members on purpose?

by wwjdnwt in

i was born into this religion.

i was a jw for well over 30 years.

i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.

never a jw

The governing body is composed of mindless puppets. Therefore, they are innocent deluded people. I think the evil come from the people with power. Follow the money trail

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Satan Changing Evidence AGAIN!

by notsurewheretogo in

i see satan is at it again....a human tooth found in france is dated as being 560,000 years old...obvious nonsense since humans have only been on this planet 6,000 years ago...how will people ever find "the troof" if he keeps doing this?.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/28/french-archaeologist-finds-tooth-dating-560000-years-tautavel?.

i actually kept track of all the evidence there is for the 6,000 years nonsense when i started my fade years ago but quickly gave up...far too much of it..

never a jw

Dating method is inaccurate, whatever method it is.

James Mixon:

You and I have the same hero.

How many killing by Jehovah? :millions

How many killings by Satan? 8 children of Job, with authorization of Jehovah

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What I believe to be true- and how I have come to believe it.

by defender of truth in

i apologise if this story has already been posted.. it gave me hope... hope that even those who ignore their doubts and bury themselves can awaken, and become authentic people who just want to make the world a better place.

both man and wife woke up at the same time.. great thoughts on the meaning of life and humanities potential towards the end... www.medium.com/keep-learning-keep-growing/what-i-believe-to-be-true-and-how-i-have-come-to-believe-it-13df821c3ed.

never a jw

Great story. His system of beliefs is a mirror of my own. The only difference is that I never got a tattoo. But I am considering getting my first one at 50.

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Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?

by Wasanelder Once in

the governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.

if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.

if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.

never a jw

john amos

Few pages after your quote of Deuteronomy, in the divine, superior law of Moses given by Jehovah himself, you find this: (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Would you like to make suggestions to the Royal Commission to solve child sexual abuse using the DIVINE LAW in Deut 22:28-29. Pretty straightforward and easy solution. Just beautiful!!! Why those worldly people can't see Jehovah's wisdom?

I think the Governing Body would love this solution. I feel that 50 shekels is a lot less than the worldly courts would like to set as just compensation for victims. Also, you finally get another woman into submission to the headship appointed by Jehovah, for a lifetime. Just wonderful!

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Basic Bible and Religious Vocabulary the Watchtower Never Teaches

by CalebInFloroda in

when i began formal study of religion and biblical analysis it was like peeling off layer after layer of dark matter, sticky and putrid that had stuck over my eyes and ears and mouth.

i learned that under the watchtower one only builds a widening gap between yourself and the world of biblical academia and scholars.

i used to think i knew a lot because i learned to quote a few scholars or lexicons as a witness.

never a jw

"My theory is that the original NWT was a revised RSV, and the latest NWT is definitely the NRSV, sometimes shamelessly so."

Caleb, can you give examples of the shameless lifting? I am very interested.

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Basic Bible and Religious Vocabulary the Watchtower Never Teaches

by CalebInFloroda in

when i began formal study of religion and biblical analysis it was like peeling off layer after layer of dark matter, sticky and putrid that had stuck over my eyes and ears and mouth.

i learned that under the watchtower one only builds a widening gap between yourself and the world of biblical academia and scholars.

i used to think i knew a lot because i learned to quote a few scholars or lexicons as a witness.

never a jw

got 7 out of 20, but...but...but, in my defense... I know more than most JW's and I have been an atheist since age 13.

The test is so unfair. You never asked the things I know.